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	<title>Comments on: That&#8217;s too risky &#8211; but for who?</title>
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		<title>By: Socitm See &#8211; Web security in Local Authorities &#124; A d c o l o g</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-86493</link>
		<dc:creator>Socitm See &#8211; Web security in Local Authorities &#124; A d c o l o g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I raised the issues in my personal blog and youth work social media expert Tim Davies raised it in his.    It isn&#8217;t just the net-heads who think this.  The University of Illinois have carried [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I raised the issues in my personal blog and youth work social media expert Tim Davies raised it in his.    It isn&#8217;t just the net-heads who think this.  The University of Illinois have carried [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Campbell-Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-13660</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Campbell-Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom

The solution to this, which works on facebook but not MySpace, is to create groups.  In a group you can communicate with users without them seeing your profile and all communication is documented. 

It may well be that it still takes some persuading and explaining as to why you can&#039;t add people as &quot;normal&quot; friends, but is agood inbetween.  The other idea is to use the facebook privacy` settings to severly restirct young people but, as hidden communication can still take palce, that may not be acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom</p>
<p>The solution to this, which works on facebook but not MySpace, is to create groups.  In a group you can communicate with users without them seeing your profile and all communication is documented. </p>
<p>It may well be that it still takes some persuading and explaining as to why you can&#8217;t add people as &#8220;normal&#8221; friends, but is agood inbetween.  The other idea is to use the facebook privacy` settings to severly restirct young people but, as hidden communication can still take palce, that may not be acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-13640</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

Very good and clear.

At my work we have a policy about our interactions with young poeple online and managing our (personal) facebook pages in a professional manner. We are struggling with how to say you don&#039;t want to be &#039;friends&#039; a young person you are working with...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Very good and clear.</p>
<p>At my work we have a policy about our interactions with young poeple online and managing our (personal) facebook pages in a professional manner. We are struggling with how to say you don&#8217;t want to be &#8216;friends&#8217; a young person you are working with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-11298</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, thanks for the reply. The case is definitely continuing to build that we serve safety best by engaging not by building fences and hiding away..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, thanks for the reply. The case is definitely continuing to build that we serve safety best by engaging not by building fences and hiding away..</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Campbell-Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-11290</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Campbell-Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only just got to this Tim, so sorry for the late reply.

I agree absoutely with what you&#039;ve said.  Check out my questions around the risk of not on my blog today...in relation to the BBC article which suggests it could be harmful NOT to enage young people with socvial netoworking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only just got to this Tim, so sorry for the late reply.</p>
<p>I agree absoutely with what you&#8217;ve said.  Check out my questions around the risk of not on my blog today&#8230;in relation to the BBC article which suggests it could be harmful NOT to enage young people with socvial netoworking.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Dade</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-9543</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Dade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I wholly agree with your post. It&#039;s a perfect example of the digital divide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I wholly agree with your post. It&#8217;s a perfect example of the digital divide.</p>
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		<title>By: Tessy britton</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-9537</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessy britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree very much with your post Tim.  The use of &#039;proxies&#039; to get round school blocking systems is inevitable as young people are relentlessly ingenious. 

With adults not understanding the benefits of social network sites and assuming they are only negative, they effectively just build walls between adults and young people.... and as you say stop being the approachable guardians they need to be.  

....And how can adults offer any guidance and support when they don&#039;t know how these sites work?  Lets face it, most of them seem rather banal on their face value .... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree very much with your post Tim.  The use of &#8216;proxies&#8217; to get round school blocking systems is inevitable as young people are relentlessly ingenious. </p>
<p>With adults not understanding the benefits of social network sites and assuming they are only negative, they effectively just build walls between adults and young people&#8230;. and as you say stop being the approachable guardians they need to be.  </p>
<p>&#8230;.And how can adults offer any guidance and support when they don&#8217;t know how these sites work?  Lets face it, most of them seem rather banal on their face value &#8230;. <img src='http://www.timdavies.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Amos-Simpson</title>
		<link>http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2008/11/06/thats-too-risky-but-for-who/comment-page-1/#comment-9489</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Amos-Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its also quite concerning that potentially there are staff still engaging with young people online but in no official capacity and with no professional guidance - which do you prefer?

1. A clear policy, clear guidance and relevant training to help staff use all parts of the web effectively in their work

or

2. No guidance on using those parts of the web that young people use and staff who (maybe inadvertently) make contact with young people online out of their professional capacity - potentially exposing themselves and their organisation to unnecessarily difficult/awkward situations.

For the young people it makes no difference at all - if you&#039;re Bob the Youth Worker you&#039;re still Bob the Youth Worker with or without policies &amp; guidance. At least with a clear professional online identity it makes it easier to differentiate appropriate online contact &amp; relations.

What I don&#039;t understand is the frankly dumb attitude there seems to be that we&#039;ll wait for problems to occur before working out how to deal with them. How about trying to be proactive and then being able to take advantage of opportunities rather than firefighting &amp; becoming overly concerned with perceived risk? Actually that pretty well sums up what I largely feel about Youth Services - they have a preference for waiting for problems to happen so that they can do yet more &#039;issue based&#039; work ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its also quite concerning that potentially there are staff still engaging with young people online but in no official capacity and with no professional guidance &#8211; which do you prefer?</p>
<p>1. A clear policy, clear guidance and relevant training to help staff use all parts of the web effectively in their work</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>2. No guidance on using those parts of the web that young people use and staff who (maybe inadvertently) make contact with young people online out of their professional capacity &#8211; potentially exposing themselves and their organisation to unnecessarily difficult/awkward situations.</p>
<p>For the young people it makes no difference at all &#8211; if you&#8217;re Bob the Youth Worker you&#8217;re still Bob the Youth Worker with or without policies &amp; guidance. At least with a clear professional online identity it makes it easier to differentiate appropriate online contact &amp; relations.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is the frankly dumb attitude there seems to be that we&#8217;ll wait for problems to occur before working out how to deal with them. How about trying to be proactive and then being able to take advantage of opportunities rather than firefighting &amp; becoming overly concerned with perceived risk? Actually that pretty well sums up what I largely feel about Youth Services &#8211; they have a preference for waiting for problems to happen so that they can do yet more &#8216;issue based&#8217; work <img src='http://www.timdavies.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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