Comments on: Overcoming the challenges to open government – the wiki way http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2009/05/13/overcoming-the-challenges-to-open-government-the-wiki-way/ social media, youth participation, e-democracy & social change Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:53:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Social web potpouri « Yavapai OLLI Social Web Learning Group http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2009/05/13/overcoming-the-challenges-to-open-government-the-wiki-way/comment-page-1/#comment-88177 Social web potpouri « Yavapai OLLI Social Web Learning Group Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:15:58 +0000 http://www.timdavies.org.uk/?p=2401#comment-88177 [...] example: Wiki on overcoming barriers to open government [...] [...] example: Wiki on overcoming barriers to open government [...]

]]> By: Links of the Week – 11 June 2009 http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2009/05/13/overcoming-the-challenges-to-open-government-the-wiki-way/comment-page-1/#comment-61976 Links of the Week – 11 June 2009 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:18:31 +0000 http://www.timdavies.org.uk/?p=2401#comment-61976 [...] Davies’ wants your suggestions on overcoming the challenges to online engagement in government – add your comments to the wiki [...] [...] Davies’ wants your suggestions on overcoming the challenges to online engagement in government – add your comments to the wiki [...]

]]> By: Neil Williams http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2009/05/13/overcoming-the-challenges-to-open-government-the-wiki-way/comment-page-1/#comment-53860 Neil Williams Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:13:08 +0000 http://www.timdavies.org.uk/?p=2401#comment-53860 Ping! http://neilojwilliams.net/missioncreep/2009/foundinteresting-17-may-to-2-june/ Ping!

http://neilojwilliams.net/missioncreep/2009/foundinteresting-17-may-to-2-june/

]]> By: Tim http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2009/05/13/overcoming-the-challenges-to-open-government-the-wiki-way/comment-page-1/#comment-52723 Tim Thu, 14 May 2009 08:50:48 +0000 http://www.timdavies.org.uk/?p=2401#comment-52723 Paul, Andy I would not dispute either that there many high-level issue-dilemmas, nor that there is a lot of foot-dragging that goes on. If open government is worth pursuing then it should be so at least in part because it involves redistribution of power - and that is always likely to be unappealing to some. And any redistribution of power needs to be analysed for it's impact on values we hold as fundamental (which of course are likely to be contested...). The relationship between foot-dragging and practical issues though is worth exploring. Practical issues are the things over which feet are dragged and which create the resistance (if that doesn't stretch metaphors too far). The particular genesis of the list I of 50 Hurdles however was a response to finding both front-line staff and senior managers who do want to move forward with engagement - but are being held back because of the many small issues which they do not have a map to navigate. Paul, Andy

I would not dispute either that there many high-level issue-dilemmas, nor that there is a lot of foot-dragging that goes on. If open government is worth pursuing then it should be so at least in part because it involves redistribution of power – and that is always likely to be unappealing to some. And any redistribution of power needs to be analysed for it’s impact on values we hold as fundamental (which of course are likely to be contested…).

The relationship between foot-dragging and practical issues though is worth exploring. Practical issues are the things over which feet are dragged and which create the resistance (if that doesn’t stretch metaphors too far).

The particular genesis of the list I of 50 Hurdles however was a response to finding both front-line staff and senior managers who do want to move forward with engagement – but are being held back because of the many small issues which they do not have a map to navigate.

]]> By: Andy Oram http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2009/05/13/overcoming-the-challenges-to-open-government-the-wiki-way/comment-page-1/#comment-52682 Andy Oram Wed, 13 May 2009 21:29:17 +0000 http://www.timdavies.org.uk/?p=2401#comment-52682 Tim, you have a keen knowledge of immediate needs and problems. But it might be worth keeping some high-level issues--dilemmas that arent easily resolved--in mind. I've made my own little list here: http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/professional/government_participation_question.html Tim, you have a keen knowledge of immediate needs and problems. But it might be worth keeping some high-level issues–dilemmas that arent easily resolved–in mind. I’ve made my own little list here:

http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/professional/government_participation_question.html

]]> By: Paul Evans http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2009/05/13/overcoming-the-challenges-to-open-government-the-wiki-way/comment-page-1/#comment-52676 Paul Evans Wed, 13 May 2009 19:38:54 +0000 http://www.timdavies.org.uk/?p=2401#comment-52676 The shorter version of my argument was that - in a representative government, the tension between bureaucrats and those who have been elected is still there. Much of the resistance to the promotion of interactivity is not rooted in an incoherent approach to the problem (which is kind of implied by your 50 point plan) but wilful foot-dragging. Don't get me wrong though - the original post and the wiki idea are both great ones - sooner or later the camel's back *will* break ;-) The shorter version of my argument was that – in a representative government, the tension between bureaucrats and those who have been elected is still there. Much of the resistance to the promotion of interactivity is not rooted in an incoherent approach to the problem (which is kind of implied by your 50 point plan) but wilful foot-dragging.

Don’t get me wrong though – the original post and the wiki idea are both great ones – sooner or later the camel’s back *will* break ;-)

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